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RENSE: How does the Chinese government interface with this, if at all?
FULFORD: Well, they have people right up to the highest levels of the Chinese government in the society. They do have areas where their interests coincide, and one of them, of course, is stopping genocide.
Right now, they are not fighting the Chinese government. They are therefore kind of semi-tolerated. Right now there is a state of an uneasy truce. But, as I said, they are separate. They have separate headquarters and a totally separate history.
When it comes to stopping genocide, they are in total agreement. I am sure that the Chinese government's resources could be made available to us, if it came to that.
RENSE: Given that your organization - that to which you purport to represent - is threatening, apparently, people with death, could that not be construed by the Department of Homeland Security - not that I expect to hear your knees knocking with fear - as some sort of terrorism being issued over this program?
FULFORD: It's not terrorism. It's saying, "If you don't stop killing people, if you don't stop killing us, we will have to defend ourselves."
It's not terrorism to defend yourself. It's self-defense. They are doing the killing. They are the ones out there murdering people and carrying on genocide. They are the ones who are planning this incredible mass slaughter, not us.
So if there are any terrorists, you know who they are. It's the Illuminati. They are the real terrorists. Everybody knows that by now.
We are trying to stop terrorism. Our point is, we don't want to kill a single
RENSE: And you have, apparently, presented a method by which that can be achieved - without anyone dying.
FULFORD: Think about the one-dollar bill. You have the eye on the pyramid. The eye represents the people who kept the human race in the job of pyramid building, right? What you have to do - this is very important - it is very, very centralized, this thing. Target the eye.
Forget about their flunkies. Forget about their employees, their servants. They just have no choice. They are innocent. Even the people on the Council of Foreign Relations, the Bilderbergers - most of them are decent people who would really not like to be part of this, but they had no choice.
So the trick is to go right to the very, very top.
RENSE: Dr. John Coleman (ph), in his book, "Conspirators: Hierarchy of the Committee of 300," did name names for the first time years ago. The book is in its fourth or fifth edition now. And it was quite centralized.
Now did you turn over a list of people to this secret society at one point?
FULFORD: Oh yeah. There are a lot of these lists in Japan, but basically it's all the descendants of the original banking families who put together the Fed. It's all the male descendants, okay? They won't kill females.
The expanded - the other Illuminati families, you know the names. The Warburgs, the Morgans, Schiffs, et cetera - everybody knows the names. The Bilderbergers, the Council of Foreign Relations, Skull and Bones, Scroll and Key, all these people [have top Illuminati members in their groups].
The point is that what they do - the trick is to start at the very highest level and work your way down. They don't want to kill anybody, if possible. Let's keep it to the minimum, if possible. But, if necessary, if it's the only way to stop the killing of hundreds and hundreds of millions of people, which is what they're trying to do...
RENSE: Billions.
FULFORD: Billions! Yeah, they are trying to kill billions of people. This is not a joke. This is reality!
...Then you have to stop them! You have no other choice. It is self-defense. It is not terrorism.
RENSE: In Japan, have you made this public yet, Benjamin, or are you doing it here for the first time?
FULFORD: Yes. It has been made public in Japan. They know about it. It is in my latest book. It came out about a month ago. There is a lot of stuff going on here.
I have been in contact with the Japanese secret government. They are cooperating with me.
I repeat. Their point is that they like the US society, they like Americans, they like the United States. They don't want to pick a fight with America. If there is some way of freeing them from the Rockefellers and these Illuminati, they would love that to happen.
That is where they are coming from. So they are cooperating, to a certain extent. The negotiations are ongoing as to how to do this.
But the plan I have given them, and I have presented on your website, is we make contact with Russia, China, India - countries that are not controlled by Illuminati pawns - Latin American countries - everybody in the world, basically - we all get together and we say, "Enough is enough."
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And just like that. It's like pulling down the Iron Curtain, or pulling away the curtain that is hiding the Wizard of Oz.
RENSE: Knocking down the Berlin Wall.
FULFORD: Yeah. All it takes is for the people to say, "Wait a minute! Enough is enough." Expose these people, show them to the world. Let people know who they are and what they are doing. They will be stopped.
RENSE: Right.
FULFORD: The other thing is the lower-down people. For example, the people who support a world government based in the EU, they think it's about human rights and justice and law.
RENSE: About ten seconds to the break. Real quick.
FULFORD: They are all chumps. The people who support them. Many of them. They don't know what's going on.
RENSE: Okay. Stand by, Ben. We'll take a break and come back. Hour number three coming up in just a few minutes.
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-HOUR THREE-
RENSE: Okay, we're back with Benjamin Fulford, former Asia-Pacific bureau chief with Forbes magazine for nearly eight years.
A Chinese secret society has issued, through Mr. Fulford, a life-or-death ultimatum for the Illuminati to stop the genocide, back off and change course - about 180 degrees.
The Chinese also feel, according to Mr. Fulford, that SARS was, in fact, a biological weapon deployed to attempt to reduce the Chinese population by an extraordinary number of people. It didn't work for a variety of reasons, but it was clearly and specifically able to affect and infect those of Asian descent.
Again, look at the numbers of people in Canada who died of SARS. You can probably do a Google search on pictures of those people and see. It's about 95 percent Asian.
Okay. Our conversation has covered some extraordinary information so far. We have about another hour to go. There are many places to go, but Ben I hear you wanting to say something, so go right ahead.
FULFORD: Sure. I just want to make a point. You know William Shatner, the guy who played Captain Kirk on the Starship Enterprise? He was a Canadian. And as a Canadian, I would be proud to serve on a US ship like Enterprise. You know, "Flying where no man has gone before?" The Kennedy America.
That's what the world wants to see again. That's what everybody is wishing for. So when I see Americans captured by robber barons, and subjected to Freudian / Pavlovian mind control...
RENSE: No better example than September 11th.
FULFORD: Yes. I have to fight to the death to help free my American brothers and sisters, if it comes to that.
Everybody wants America to be free from these people, including the Americans. When you really come down to it, it is a small number. All you have to do is expose them. That's the key. People have to know who they are and what they're up to. That's it. It could be like the Velvet Revolution - a bloodless end to this.
That's what I'm offering them. And that's what the American people should quickly realize. They can do it. They don't have to worry about fighting black helicopters or policemen or anything like that. These people are just as much victims as everybody else.
RENSE: Now the black helicopters notwithstanding, the American public is not going to have to become directly involved in this if what you're saying is on the table now. The gauntlet is down, the challenge has been made. Americans need to...
FULFORD: That's it. We'll try peaceful methods. So the plan I gave to the Japanese government is, we get the Russians, the Chinese, the Indians, everybody on Earth, basically, to say "Enough is enough." It should just be a matter of announcing the fact that we will not buy any more US government bonds until the US government decides to change course.
RENSE: Could the Chinese effectively decimate the American economy at this point with the holdings they have, and the control they do have, over American economic and business interests?
FULFORD: Of course. There are ten times more dollars circulating around the world than the US economy is worth.
If people said, "Okay, we don't believe this dollar thing anymore", or better still, if they stopped using oil and started burning water, and other fuels, that would end it.
The thing is, I personally believe the US is depending on the armed forces to be the greatest force for good in the history of humankind.
It's not who they are, it's the organization. It's the job they've been given. They should be out there stopping poverty and environmental destruction rather than stealing oil for robber barons.
RENSE: Speaking of robber barons, when Dov Zakheim (ph) was in charge of the Pentagon budget, some three TRILLION dollars vanished. No one has been able to track that yet. No one is even trying!
FULFORD: There is a huge underground secret budget which they are using for this Armageddon plan. People need to find out about this.
They are going to try to put on quite a show, and really try to fool everybody, thinking these are end times. That's where I believe that money went to - some kind of huge smoke-and-mirrors show, on a global scale. It will make 9/11 look like child's play.
RENSE: That's what most people are expecting who are watching this carefully. Something that big will have to happen to scare the wits out of what is left of American independence into utter subservience and domination.
And it probably would work. Given the fact that the electronic media is so overwhelmingly oppressive in its own right, and clever, and domineering...
FULFORD: Remember, there are six people who control these media.
RENSE: Six corporations, that's right.
FULFORD: Yeah, but it's six people, really, when you come down to it.
Actually I'd like to take this time now to direct a message to Rupert Murdoch and Lord Thompson of Fleet (ph). I strongly suggest to them that they confirm, through their own sources, that I am not bluffing - that this society is real.
Mr. Murdoch can call anyone senior in the Taiwanese government, for example, or Mr. Thompson could ask personal columnists in the Tokyo bureau, and they can provide him with the proof.
They know that they would have to either stop applying propaganda to the American people, or find a deep hole and hide in it.
They will realize this is not a bluff. These people are real. Mr. Murdoch has good Chinese connections. They will realize that the attire has changed. They will start providing people with the truth.
Mr. Murdoch, I think he will do whatever the powers-that-be want. He doesn't have any personal agenda. If he realizes he will be protected, I think he is willing to turn.
RENSE: It's hard to believe Fox News telling us the truth, but yeah, okay.
FULFORD: He says it's his business. He was here in Tokyo a while ago. He said, "Yeah, look. I saw a Mossad marketplace. I saw Nice, I saw the De Merde (ph), and so I went for it.
I don't think he believes anything Fox News says personally - it's just business for him. He does something similar for the Chinese - what appeals to Chinese phobia. It's just business for him.
RENSE: You wrote a book about September 11th in Japan. How did it sell? Pretty well?
FULFORD: Yeah. 80,000 copies.
RENSE: That's a best-seller six times over back in the States.
FULFORD: It was very influential. There was a big 9/11 conference here, and I've had a couple of TV shows about 9/11 here on network TV, of all things. The Japanese are much quicker to catch on to stuff like this than the Americans. They have been subjected to a different type of brain control than the Americans.
What happened after World War II for the Japanese is they were subjected to this 'fallen' kind of mind control.
First of all, they were given an inferiority complex towards white people. They were made passive. They were made so they didn't have opinion. They work hard, and think that America is a wonderful, wonderful country.
Any time anyone got too smart... the other thing is they made sure there would be no geniuses. This is how they keep Japan under control. Then when people do get smart, they either co-opt them or they kill them.
RENSE: You're talking about the Rockefellers.
FULFORD: Yeah. They've had to kill at least four Prime Ministers in the post-war era.
RENSE: In Henry Makow's article that was one of the most interesting claims. Four dead, and over 200, I guess, major Japanese figures.
FULFORD: I've interviewed seven Japanese prime ministers. Captains of industry, members of security police, senior gangsters. I have very good sources. I have everything on tape. I have enough evidence to convict David Rockefeller of at least three murders related to the recent takeover of the Japanese banking system.
This is how I got into this. This is why I got so deep inside. I followed the trail, all the way up until I actually hit the finance minister. That's when suddenly I was given this gold badge, which is the analog version of the gold chip I guess they're planning to put in there - you know, in their elite servants.
What they've done to the Japanese people is truly horrible. Everyone thinks it was a wonderful thing. The Japanese people love the American people. They do. But at the same time, they hate the Rockefellers, and they think of them as these horrible dictators who are tyrants to both the Americans and the Japanese.
RENSE: The other losers of World War II, the German people, have paid a terrible price as well, of course.
FULFORD: Well yeah. I learned that from your website. They killed all those people after the war!
RENSE: Yeah. Millions.
FULFORD: What they did to Germany was absolutely horrible too. They like to talk about the holocaust. Right now there are 48 million people dying of starvation every year. So many more times the holocaust, happening right now! They're not doing anything about it!
RENSE: No, it doesn't even make the papers over here.
FULFORD: The Pentagon, like I said before, can be the greatest force for good in human history. All you have to do is give them the job of saving the planet.
The amount of money... how I got into this whole thread in the first place is I realized the Japanese could end poverty and stop all environmental destruction, and have change left over, if they just used their surplus to heal the planet.
When I asked them why they didn't, I ended up finding out it was because they were a slave people, and they would be murdered if they tried to spend their own money that way.
I do believe the people in the Pentagon would love to go and save the planet. They would be much happier with that job than killing people for robber barons.
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I'm asking people now. I'm calling for people, loyal Americans, the CIA, the NSA, people in the Pentagon: take your country back. Realize that the democracy is in danger, and your oath is to the Constitution, not to the dictators. Not to the bankers.
RENSE: Well, that's a key expression which I made mention of many times, as did thousands of other Americans on this Fourth of July just passed - that we should all read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights again. Especially the people we voted for and sent to Washington to represent our country and our local areas. Back in a few minutes with Benjamin Fulford, live from Tokyo.
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RENSE: Okay. Talking with Benjamin Fulford. September 11th. We know quite a lot about it over here. There is a lot of disinformation, as you know, on the Internet. Government agents, agents provocateurs, trying to muddy the waters - but we've got a pretty good handle on the thing. How did it look to you over there, and what are your thoughts about who was behind it - directly, or indirectly, or both?
FULFORD: I think this was something they had planned for a long time.
RENSE: An Illuminati operation, in other words.
FULFORD: Yes. An Illuminati operation.
The thing that really stops most people, who still don't know what 9/11 is... they say "Wait a minute! This happened to me too. How come the New York Times doesn't write about it? Why isn't it on the TV?"
RENSE: Somehow, Americans have got to be shaken out of that stupor and understand that those media are controlled by, as you say, essentially six people. And that's the real problem here. Opposition of the government to the killers, to the gangsters, has no platform. They are shut out of the mainstream media.
They have got the Internet, which of course is rampant with all kinds of operators and people who are out to do nothing other than slander, libel, cause fights and issue false data. So it's a tough one for people to get through. Without the Internet, it would probably be over by now.
FULFORD: It is the Internet and websites like yours that help people like me figure out what is going on.
RENSE: Well, thank you.
FULFORD: What happened to me was I got exposed to the corruption in Japan. I started as a financial journalist, and I realized that all the bad debt was controlled by gangsters, which really didn't make sense. Hundreds of billions of dollars, controlled by gangsters?
So I went and I started talking to the gangsters - the Japanese gangsters. And they told me they were middle men. They take a 30 percent commission. I said, "How are the billions of dollars disappearing somewhere? "
I followed the thread and realized the Japanese government was totally corrupt. Everything we were reading about in the Japanese newspapers was a lie. I wrote two chapters of a book that was going to be so explosive, and it was in English - that I would have to either leave Japan or be killed.
I sent them to my agent. The next day I get a call from the granddaughter of the Meiji emperor. Out of the blue! She said, "You know, you should not get the Yakuza angry." Right?
And she told me that a goddess had called to intervene, and to tell me [this]. It turned out that the 'goddess' was the Japanese security police. They obviously had been looking at my email. But they said, "You don't understand what's really going on." She gave me this Dave vonKleist (ph) video, In Plane Site.
As soon as she gave me that, I said, "Oh, no, no, no. This is anti-Semitic nonsense. I'm not going to watch this. How can this lady, she is a princess - how can she believe stuff like this?"
She kept bugging me, so I watched it. I've been an investigative journalist for twenty years. I know the difference between true information and BS. So I started a long term of research.
Once I was sure this was a government plot, my next thought was, "Oh my God, how could it be so big? This is too huge to comprehend. The amount of people that would have to be involved is vast!"
Then the truth is so big, and so horrendous, that people just hide from it. I basically think you have to go all the way back, as I said, to Hammurabi - the original Babylonian dictator. The cult of leadership. The Freemasons, their history goes right back there. It's a collective of slave drivers.
These are the people who literally did have people make pyramids. And they controlled them by controlling their food supply. And now they control them by controlling their money supply.
Their history is so long, and their techniques are so sophisticated. Folklore has been aware of these people. They have called them different names over the years. Beelzebub. Mammon. Set. Lucifer. Satan.
But there is nothing otherworldly or metaphysical about them. This is a real group of people. An ancient sect of Babylonian slave drivers. And that's the hard truth. They want to enslave the entire planet. That's what they're trying to do - and we must stop them.
People have to know. This is how deep you have to go in history. I believe Jesus Christ was a rebel against these people. He was one of their enemies, because he said all men are created equal, and free before God, and you should love thy neighbor. Stuff like that. And take care of the poor.
RENSE: Other great beings have issued the same message, of course, in history.
FULFORD: Absolutely. Mohammed, I think, kicked them out of a huge [area] - the Islamic world, basically. Czarist Russia fought them for a very long time, and now they are free again. There are a lot of free countries. Italy should come out with the pizza (ph) P2 scandal. That's a great scandal to look at to see what's going on.
RENSE: People over in the States don't know anything about that. That was a monumental development, a monumental watershed in Italian history.
Hammurabi, Abraham, a secret Jewish sect, a Zionist sect becoming an Illuminati sect. What about that? How do we... you're going all the way back, so...
FULFORD: You have to follow the thread. If you think about what Moses did, this is my understanding of it. They dumped a lot of poisonous red mineral into the Nile River. And that poisoned the crops. That's why you have the story of the Nile running red.
It was a slave revolt. He was... it was a fight between two different slave drivers. He was using eco-terrorism. He slaughtered lots of Egyptians and eventually lost. They fled into what is now Israel. They were then kicked out by the Romans and scattered all over the place.
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RENSE: Is this the same group, Ben, that has been kicked out by virtually every developed society on record?
FULFORD: Yes. The Jews have been enslaved by them, but it's not a Jewish thing, really. It's more secret than that. They are hidden even from the Jews.
RENSE: When you study World War II, and the involvement of Zionism with the holocaust, we see it quite clearly. Stand by just for a minute or two. We have to take a break. We will come right back with Mr. Benjamin Fulford, live from Tokyo.
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RENSE: Okay. Let's get right back to Mr. Ben Fulford, talking about some pretty amazing things. His great grandfather, a benefactor of Nikola Tesla, was murdered for his efforts.
Tesla, it is said by some, was kept basically in the last several decades of his life, almost a prisoner, in a way. All of his work was watched. It was a pretty unfortunate way to end a brilliant life like that, for one of the great men in history.
FULFORD: Yes. The 20th century was a total tragedy. It should have been... humanity was on the verge of something like a Cambrian explosion.
When you have unlimited free energy, the possibilities are so mind-boggling that you can't even fully understand. It would be just wonderful. It would be like everyone is a billionaire!
RENSE: Well, the potential is there, you're right, to create the beginning, and in fact establish a Golden Age for humanity in the last century. But instead, how many millions, a hundred million died in wars? At least.
FULFORD: At least 100 million. The Americans killed I don't know how many tens of millions after the war. And more importantly, they suppressed technology.
RENSE: Oh, there is so much there. We have had videos recently, Ben, of one man. He's done a television station. He was able to pull hydrogen right out of salt water and burn it right on the spot. The energy is all there.
FULFORD: Yes. The Japanese had that technology 30 years ago!
RENSE: Right.
FULFORD: Another technology they have, that is being suppressed, is you can generate unlimited energy by taking advantage of the difference in temperature between the surface of the ocean and the bottom.
RENSE: That's called geothermal exchange. Right.
FULFORD: Yes. You pump methane down to the bottom of the ocean. It turns into liquid. Then it comes up and it turns into gas again, and you get infinite electricity. And rivers run fresh water.
RENSE: And the same thing on land with geothermal. But yeah, there are so many out there, and they are clearly all being mothballed and locked away. They have no plans for us other than slavery. That's their plan!
FULFORD: If you talk to that guy who burned water in Florida, just see what's happened to him since. I think he's had some pretty troubling visitors.
RENSE: They almost all seemingly do. Some have died unusually early deaths as well. Others just vanish and you hope they have not been killed. There are so many stories I have seen like this over the years. They were pulling electricity out of the ground in the 1870s and 80s, for goodness sakes. I mean, it's there.
FULFORD: Yeah. It's a crime. They are trying to lobotomize the human race and stop human progress.
RENSE: They're doing a pretty good job of it. So far the Chinese, by the way, had, as you know - I don't know if you remember the year. I think it was about 2001. They had a goal of putting a television set in every household in China - because that is the instrument of oppression, of manipulation, of control, of conditioning, of shaping, of molding.
FULFORD: Sure. But you know what? The Chinese have their own idea for democracy. You cannot totally write it off. What they are saying is the democracy using paper every four years is kind of low-tech and out of date.
You can have real-time, live democracy on the Internet, through opinion polls and chat rooms. That's a much better way of making sure public opinion is reflected in public policy.
RENSE: Well, that's electronic. It's all something that can be manipulated if it is electronic. But, you raise a good point. And if it were somehow guaranteed to be legitimate, it would be fascinating.
Let me ask you a question. What do you and your backers think of Vladimir Putin and Russia standing tall against the Rothschilds over the issue of the missiles in Europe and other East-West problems?
They have refused now to extradite the Russian businessman who the British - and Berezovsky, the Rothschilds - say was the murderer of Litivinenko with Polonium 210. They want to extradite the man.
So there are really some very, very big power dynamics at work with respect to Russia, their new technology, and Vladimir Putin, who is stepping down next year, although many Russians would prefer he stay, I would suggest. But what do you think of it?
FULFORD: I think what he's done is great. He kicked out Berezovsky.
By the way, my friend and the former Forbes Moscow bureau chief was shot ten times in Russia, taken to the hospital and died in the elevator. The elevator stopped, and it was stuck for eight minutes. That's where he died - and he was investigating Berezovsky before he died. We don't know if Berezovsky did it, but I suspect him.
These were all Rockefeller / Rothschild proxies. Berezovsky, Khorokovsky (ph), and Eslin (ph). By kicking them out, he freed Russia. This is a huge accomplishment.
There was a Japanese politician by the name of Koki Ishii, who married a Russian woman and was in close with the Russian government. He was stabbed through the heart with a sword in front of his house. But before he died, he was given a manuscript by Putin's former boss in the KGB. He wanted it translated into Japanese, to let people know what happened in Russia - how they freed [their country] from these Illuminati.
Although the book hasn't been translated into Japanese yet, his daughter Tanya conveyed the gist of it to me. So I know that Putin is not an Illuminati agent.
We will be making contact with Putin later, and maybe he will hear through this that we have a secret, six million man army that is willing to align with him to put an end to this madness.
RENSE: Well, quite clearly the Rothschilds and the Illuminati view Russia as the prize that got away, and they want it back.
I think the ejection of the oligarchs that you've touched on, that I've touched on and described in great detail with guests on this program for a long time now - is one of the most important geo-political, socio-cultural, national issues of our time.
I mean, this is a monumental change, what happened in Russia!
Comment Timm: Compare with Carl Huter about Russia future!
FULFORD: Yeah. They have been free for the first time since 1917!
RENSE: And they remember who enslaved them, and who ground the life out of them for nearly the better part of a century. And they don't like those people at all.
FULFORD: Yeah. And we're going to ally with them. The other thing is I believe the Japanese are also about to kick them out. And that will be it. It will be the end for these people. I believe we are at the endgame.
Comment Timm: Indeed the Ende of the „Elite“ is very near!
RENSE: That goes hand in hand with what you're saying about "they're desperate."
FULFORD: Yes. If these people end, I think literally it would be such a big change that it would be worth calling it the New Age. It really would, because humanity would suddenly have so much potential freed. These people, they are trying to lobotomize and suppress technology; they distort academics and science.
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They fund all the academics to publish their propaganda, and ostracize those who don't.
When we start reading New Scientist magazine, which is an orthodox science magazine, about congressmen getting involved in trying to stop someone who is researching desktop fusion, you realize something is very wrong. It's like Galileo being called up in front of the Inquisition.
What these people are doing is not only criminal, it's stupid! They could be so much richer than they are now, and so much more powerful, just by releasing all human potential.
Comment Timm: This human potnetial is exactly described by Carl Huters Menschenkenntnis (Knowledge about human potential)!
RENSE: What they're doing is essentially killing the goose that is laying the golden eggs for them. Your point is well taken. Stand by, Ben, we'll take a break, and come right back in just a few minutes.
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RENSE: Okay. We're back. Ben, anybody who studies the larger issues of "pulling the big scam" comes up with one of the most prominent potential scenarios being the ET card, or the extraterrestrial invasion trump card. The fake ET invasion, with some advanced technology.
What do you know about... and anyone, I should hasten to add, who has studied the issue of ET visitation honestly and objectively will come away with the conclusion that it is quite obvious we are being visited routinely and regularly by any number of different intelligent beings, races, species. What is your take on it over there?
FULFORD: There is a guy who did the research years ago who said the Universe is 14 billion years old, and it should have been filled up with aliens long ago.
I am assuming, if I were an ET and I saw the planet Earth, I would quarantine it.
RENSE: [Laughs] Or bring tourists here for a laugh, yeah.
FULFORD: But yeah, it's too dangerous. Also, it's a precious little ecosystem, and they don't want to interfere. They want to let it evolve according to its own wishes, but they would love humanity to free themselves.
Now the Japanese Freemasons, who invited me to join, said there was a planned rival of a fleet of UFOs. It sounded, to me, crazy - the Rockefellers, you know, were going to secretly manufacture this fleet of UFOs to fake an Armageddon and alien landing scenario.
So I would assume, if there are aliens out there watching us, they feel sorry for us. They are hoping, cheering for us, hoping we can get rid of these bastards. And then they will think that maybe the Earth is safe enough that they can end the quarantine. That would be my take on it. But I am not an expert in this field.
RENSE: I understand. It is a potential manipulating device that has been talked about for years.
FULFORD: I interviewed [Admiral] Bobby Inman, former head of the NSA. I asked him about the Rockefellers and the secret societies. Right away, he said, "Are you a UFO guy?"
RENSE: That was one of the first things he said to you?
FULFORD: Yeah! I wasn't asking him about that. I was asking him about the Rockefellers, the secret societies and the NSA, and their relationship - and he says, "Are you a UFO guy?"
So I think what they try to do is they try to put some really wacky ideas [out there] and pack them all together with the real stuff, to make people not believe it. So this stuff about reptilian people that David Icke is pushing, I think that's disinformation made to turn most people off from this whole idea that there is a vast conspiracy.
So I try to stay away from that, and stick to the planet Earth and what I can see right in front of me. When the aliens come, if they come, then it will be known to everybody.
RENSE: It is also known that the Chinese have an extraordinary number of people who are actively investigating this particular issue. I think one organization has over 50 thousand members. So they take it very seriously over there.
FULFORD: Here in Japan too. There are a lot of our people who - there is a place near Mount Fuji where they go to watch UFOs. They can see a lot of them. There are a lot of weird movies. I think there is a military secret testing ground there too, where they can see some of these.
Remember, they also use the UFO story to hide...
RENSE: All kinds of technology. It's a perfect screen.
FULFORD: Sure. The Stealth planes they were flying for 20 years before they announced them to the public. Who knows what they have got? So you have to be very careful with this stuff. I try to make sure that I talk in a way within the parameters of people in the mainstream...
RENSE: You have to. If you're going to be a smart and effective journalist, you have to.
What else did Inman say? He, of course, of the SAIC fame. That's CIA's backwards, with an S. That's the corporation he was in.
FULFORD: Interesting. He said a lot of stuff. He was a member of the Trilateral Commission. This comes up in a lot of these conspiracy theories. I've talked to members of the Trilateral Commission.
What happened was that Bilderberg was racist. So the Rockefellers said "We need something where we can talk to the Japanese in secret too." The Bilderbergers didn't want them in their club, which was a white man's club. So they set up this other one.
But the Japanese who were members tell me they wouldn't even listen to their advice anyway. So it is kind of dysfunctional, the Trilateral Commission. Inman himself, he told me, "I was a member, but it was pointless. It was powerless, so I quit."
RENSE: Really!
FULFORD: Yeah. But he said, "I am also a member of the Bohemian Grove. Yeah, I go there every year and I give them my big spiel. We go there to have fun. What's the harm?" That's the story he's giving me. Of course he won't tell me what he said in his spiel, you know.
RENSE: Or talk about the owl, or the Cremation of Care, or any of the other rituals.
FULFORD: He revealed their whole scenario of bioterrorism and starvation...
RENSE: What did he say about bioterrorism? Did he say it was a viable thing and they were worried about it, or was he...
FULFORD: It was something they were worried about in the future, together with starvation, you know?
RENSE: Hell, they could starve people right now if they want to!
FULFORD: Well, Africa's got this new wheat blight that is destroying all their...
RENSE: Ah, listen. Monsanto and it's terminator seeds will make the world its instant prisoner. Instant. And they're pushing it through now. You have to buy the Monsanto seed every year, because your crops can no longer seed themselves. Pretty clever control.
Then you've got genetic modification of crops, which we know now is catastrophic for the health of laboratory rats and, in all likelihood, people. The evidence continues to pile up about that. The Western diet is a fatal diet, over time, for anybody who engages in it, or virtually anyone. We know about all these things.
What about chemtrails and the spraying of the sky? We have not seen any photographs ever of chemtrails from China, from Russia or from India.
FULFORD: There's none in Japan either. They won't let 'em.
RENSE: All right. You know about that. So you know about that, and you just said the Japanese won't allow it.
FULFORD: That's right.
RENSE: Okay.
FULFORD: They don't have that problem out here. But they do have a lot of hormones pumped into their food supply, making men impotent.
RENSE: There are so many phyto-estrogens in processed food now, processed soy and all kinds of foods that are causing all kinds of problems in humans, and certainly in the amphibian world as we know.
FULFORD: You heard the story about Orientals having a small what-cha-ma-call it. They put something in the makeup that women wore here which leads the children to be born - the males - with small genitalia.
RENSE: Really?
FULFORD: They've been actually trying to emasculate these people, filling their systems with female hormones.
RENSE: It's said that they won't need the act of sex to procreate in the near future anyhow. They'll just grow it in a laboratory, whatever they want. If there's anyone around at that point anyhow.
So without your people being able to pull off their ultimatum - I'm not saying they can or can't, I'm saying without that happening, it would seem that the planet is in store for a hell of a population reduction, continued environmental rape, pillage, plunder and looting, and a potential complete collapse of the Earth's ecosystems.
FULFORD: Yes. That's what these people are doing. And they think they are environmentalists. The way they want to preserve the environment is by getting rid of excess people and creating wilderness zones.
RENSE: That's what Prince Philip said. If he could come back and reincarnate as something, you know the story. [He would be a lethal virus.]
FULFORD: You know, these people are very high [ranking]. I'll send you later, I have a flowchart of the Illuminati power structure.
Just to get back to that whole thing of the people, once they were spread around by the Romans, the secret society, they had useless skills. Emperors loved to build monuments, and these people were monument builders. And they were good at accounting, controlling the finances.
So wherever they went, they made themselves favored with kings. So their influence is everywhere. They had their secret society. And again, this has nothing to do with Jews. This is a secret satanic society, whose members are atheists.
RENSE: Arch-atheists.
FULFORD: They got control of some people in central Asia called the Khazars.
RENSE: Oh yeah. I know they adopted Judaism in the ninth century. I know the story.
FULFORD: They were attacked by the Mongols and the Russians, and their elite. Part of them flooded into Europe...
RENSE: China, and the rest went into Europe. They split, pretty much.
FULFORD: Right. And the ones who went into Europe eventually intermarried with the royal families. They got their big break when they started financing all the royal families against Napoleon. They since intermarried with all the older aristocracy, and have this group of interbred families. And that's the Illuminati.
Their number one man is David Rockefeller. Number two and three are Philip Rothschild and Jay Rockefeller. Just remember those three names at the very least. Don't forget David, Lord Carollton (ph) in England. We all know who they are. That's the thing about them.
RENSE: We have just two minutes. What is the role of the Catholic Church in all of this, if any?
FULFORD: I believe the Catholic Church has been fighting them. I went to a Jesuit university. These guys wear second-hand clothing and live in shaggy apartments. The Freemasons I've met all have huge fortunes, and look like pigs. That tells me a lot.
I think the Catholic Church has been fighting them, and I think they'll be an important ally with Russia.
RENSE: Well, I don't know. It's interesting to see them talking about Tony Blair's formal conversion to Catholicism, and [how] the Pope is going to name him to be the Papal envoy for peace in Jerusalem. If there's any truth to that story, which was all widely circulated, that's getting pretty weird.
FULFORD: The Roman Catholic Church is a huge organization with many factions. I'm sure they are heavily infiltrated.
RENSE: Mm hm.
FULFORD: But I do not believe the entire institution is corrupted. But I don't know. I'm not a Catholic. My parents are atheist, I am agnostic. [Actually] I'm not agnostic; I believe God is too big to fit into any particular religion.
RENSE: Well, you bet. I'll second that. We're just about out of time, Ben. Anything you want to leave us with on this visit tonight?
FULFORD: Yes. Just remember - these people are for real and just remember. Get the eye. That's the secret. Grab the eye and humanity will be free. That's the message.
RENSE: All right. Thank you very much, Ben Fulford, for being here. I look forward to another conversation. If I can help you, let me know.
FULFORD: Thanks. It has been a great honor.
RENSE: Thank you sir. Good night.
FULFORD: Bye.
RENSE: Benjamin Fulford, live from Tokyo. There's a conversation to remember. Do read Henry Makow, Ph.D.'s article at <http://rense.com/>Rense.com. Just think about it.
As I often say, there is a lot to think about. And that is certainly something unique and something I've not heard before.
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